MyDD :: So Let's Be Clear About This

by Deadalus on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:45:35 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton is no more responsible for this nut than Obama is for Rev. Pfleger.

by PegLeg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:45:51 PM EST

So if people dont distance themselves from someone who attended a rally that they didnt organize, and have nothing to do with, then they obviously support that persons views.

What grade are you in?

Re: So Let's Be Clear About This (2.00 / 1)

There's a lotta people saying Obama should distance himself from remarks he didn't make at a meeting he didn't attend. Pot kettle black?

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:47:28 PM EST
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Re: So Let's Be Clear About This (2.00 / 1)

Larry Sinclair isnt affiliated with the Clinton campaign.

Larry Sinclair hasnt been Clintons friend for at least a decade.

Larry Sinclair isnt going to be attending Clintons church in his role as a Clinton supporter.

Larry Sinclair will not have to be scrubbed from Clintons website as if he never existed.

Pot kettle black? In what world are these equivalent situations?

by PegLeg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:43 PM EST
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Re: So Let's Be Clear About This (2.00 / 1)

You are correct. But both Wright and Pfleger have served their community for a long time. No matter what they believe, no matter what they preach, they help people. All Wright or Pfleger ever actually did wrong was have an opinion. They have at least SOME redemptive value.

Sinclair has done nothing for anyone. In all likelihood, the world would very likely be a better place had he never existed.

But regardless, this represents more than just Sinclair, this represents the people working in her name. This says very bad things about what these protests will be like. They just started, and they're already embracing this kind of thing? Hillary needs to stop it before it gets going. If not for Obama, then for her, because people will be paying attention in the event that Obama loses and she wants to run in 2012. Or even just to gather support for the convention. Obama told the 527s working for him to be silent. I want to see that kind of thing from Hillary (McCain, too, but that's wishful thinking).

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:10:43 PM EST
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So we agree that no one can hold Obama accountable for Randi Rhodes saying some stupid crazy shit.

And we can agree that no one can hold Obama accountable for Father Pfleger saying some stupid crazy shit.

Sounds like a fair compromise.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:51:27 PM EST
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by PegLeg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:36 PM EST
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Id say thats a fine compromise. But comparing Sinclairs affiliation with Rev Pflegers affiliation to Obama is complete stupidity. Its no contest.

The Randi Rhodes argument is a more apt comparison to this event.

But in general, I am really tired of the attacks on Obama and Clinton for stuff other people said. It is ridiculous. When Obama and Clinton say stupid shit, people can feel free to be offended but the second hand stuff is pointless.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:03:44 PM EST
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If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

I just want to know which people on here think that way. I'd like to believe that most of the people who I've had discourse with on here, as heated as it may have been, are not on that level of crazy/hateful.

by vcalzone on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:52:58 PM EST
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I'm sorry she has some crazy supporters. (2.00 / 1)

But that's not Hillary's fault. She doesn't know Sinclair. She has no responsibility to dignify his lowly existence with a response.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:50:09 PM EST

Re: I'm sorry she has some crazy supporters. (none / 0)

I suppose I don't really want her to bring this guy up, but I want her to stand up against the protestors that are going too far before it is too late and this turns into complete character assassination. Do you realize how ugly this could get? I want her to make it clear that she doesn't want this to happen in her name.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:14 PM EST
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Randi Rhodes... (2.00 / 2)

I mentioned this above. Please see the similarities between these two events.

Randi Rhodes said some stupid crazy shit at an event that was not run by the Obama campaign but that was heavily discussed on the blogs and personal pages of the Obama website. Everyone (especially here) blamed Obama for this because the event was mentioned on his site.

Larry Sinclair and some HRC supporters are saying some stupid crazy shit today at an event that was not run by the Clinton campaign but has been heavily discussed on the blogs of the Clinton Website.

It is hypocritical for Clinton supporters to find her blameless if they attacked Obama for the earlier event.

I don't know where you stood on the Rhodes thing and am not attacking you directly but in general there is a contradiction there.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:49 PM EST

This was meant as a reply to Sricki sorry for the confusion.

And Sricki I enjoy your posts and comments. You are a great surrogate for HRC. Keep it up.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:01:03 PM EST
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Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

And Sricki I enjoy your posts and comments. You are a great surrogate for HRC. Keep it up.

- Yeah right. lol

You have an admirer now , Sricki.

By the way who the hell is Larry Sinclair ???

Is that not the congressman from Idaho caught in a stall.

by lori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:07:05 PM EST
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Actually I was totally serious. There are a handful of Hillary supporters here that I really respect. Sricki is one of them. Just because we disagree on our first choice candidate doesn't mean I can't appreciate her writing.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:09:27 PM EST
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Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

didn't say you weren't she is great.

i agree

by lori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:27 PM EST
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Thank you, lori. (none / 0)

I know we've disagreed about a lot of things, especially Wright. But I've always enjoyed and respected your point of view.

Actually, your comment on Kevin's thread the night of the IN/NC primaries made me burst into tears. You've always been such a staunch, wonderful Hillary supporter, and to see you acknowledge that she probably had little to no chance of winning the nomination really got to me. Not in a bad way, though -- I appreciated your observation. It just affected me strangely.

I should point out that I never cry.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:31:56 PM EST
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If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

I completely agree, and I want to add that I have much respect for lori as well.

by vcalzone on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:12:52 PM EST
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Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

wow...Thank you , I am turning red.

The feeling is mutual.

by lori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:15:23 PM EST
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That would be (none / 0)

Larry Craig.

[ Donate to Barack Obama ]

by semiquaver on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:08 PM EST
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Larry Craig is the Idaho guy.

Larry Sinclair is a guy who posted on youtube saying that he did some coke with Obama and then gave him oral sex in the early 90s. A website paid him to take a lie detector test and he failed. Totally nuts.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:12:15 PM EST
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Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

why would anyone take that seriously ? lol

Thats the funniest thing I have heard in this campaign season.

by lori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:14:15 PM EST
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Thats the problem (2.00 / 2)

That is why it is so bizarre/crazy that Clinton supporters are getting his autograph and having their picture taken with him today at the RBC protest.

There is a huge difference between protesting for your candidate and choosing to promote and hang out with a crazy slanderer.

by CAchemist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:20:21 PM EST
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Thank you. (2.00 / 1)

I said Randi Rhodes was a total asshole but that Obama had no responsibility to comment on her offensive rant. Rhodes is responsible for her own poor behavior.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:28:44 PM EST
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"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony

In my opinion there is no difference between Sinclair being welcomed with open arms at the rally and Pfleger being welcomed with open arms at the Trinity Church sanctuary.

The clapping, jumping up and down, and yelling of support by the congregation in support of Pleger's "ridiculous lies" was as disturbing as Pfleger's "ridiculous lies".

Sinclair on one side, Pfleger on the other is the universe balancing things out.

by feelfree on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:23:45 PM EST

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

well you are right about one thing , they are both bizarre folks

by lori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:25:43 PM EST
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This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!

This is not a reflection on the decent Clinton supporters. This a fringe activists who are hellbent on their way or the highway(Obama has them too). It's a shame that they couldn't protest this important cause in manner that did not devolve into smears against the other candidate.

This is why Obama's camp sent out that memo asking his supporters to stay away from today's events. Rival groups on opposite sides of the sidewalk would get ugly. We all know this.

by venavena on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:24:14 PM EST